. Tue, 12 Sep 2017 The Pullman model followed in 1928 with a 344cc vertical in-line two-stroke Villiers engine. rbeardmoref at aol dot com YM83297 Engine No. Some models are found modified for Trials. Blyth Private 2,995 1933 Francis Barnett 250 Cruiser ''Black Torpedo'' Here for sale Is this remarkable survivor that was registere. Deville engine with a wing on the engine By using this site, you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy I have just finished restoring my Fanny B here in France but to register it I need a frame ID plate as in attached photo. fordcobra2 at hotmail dot com if you have any. Starts stops. Francis & Barnett Motor Cycles Comes in Arden Green with gold line trims or Arden Green and cream. 122cc villiers engine, twin port, twin exhaust, 2-stroke, 3-speed hand-change gearbox, girder front forks. The frame, forks and wheels were straight from the Francis Barnett Cruiser, the novel rear enclosure was supplied by another sister company, Clarendon Pressings, the gearbox of the unit construction motor was identical to the AMC 2 stroke Piatti engine, as well as the AJS and Matchless 'lightweights'. Sincerely, Hi my neighbour has given me the following info: Plover 95 150cc with a 149 AMC engine! 070B/80264 Runs and ri. subject: Francis barnett trial bike Frances Barnett motorcycles All models. [40][41], A new company, Francis Barnett Coventry, formed in 2015, produces Francis Barnett powered cycles and motorcycles a few miles outside Coventry in the town of Kenilworth. Woodworking, Timber Framing, Carpentry, Wood Carving, Making, Bush-craft, Antique renovation, Building projects, House renovation and occasionally random other stuff . joe_cat1960 at hotmail.comfrancis barnett 1959 falcon, hello i was wondering if you have a complete motor and gearbox for this bike and if so how muchSantonew south wales Australia, Mon, 28 Aug 2017ricsman2 at yahoo.cco.ukFrancis-Barnett Falcon Model 70 : year 1955, Hi, Not sure if you can help please. Barry Gilbert. All un-collected purchased lots shall then be removed to Bonhams storage facility at: Bonhams Oxford Banbury Road Shipton on Cherwell Kidlington Oxford OX5 1JH Lots will be available for collection from 10am Thursday 2 May by appointment only. but not sure where Francis & Barnett attached it on export models. We are enjoying the web sight so much, we have learned tremendously!! From 1923 both 250cc and 350cc machines were sold with sidecars. Ed. absprint at globalnet.co.uk Description. Francis & Barnett Limited was an English motorcycle manufacturer, founded in 1919 by Gordon Inglesby Francis and Arthur Barnett. The Club Forum is open to all, but you must become a registered member, there is no charge for registering. message: looking for FB tank badge, could anybody please help Thu Dec 16 2010 alexxbarrionuevohotmail dot com, VILLIERS MERLIN 125 Registration Number: KSJ 686. J16T1193 people who designed and built them. Francis Barnett 150 Spares for sale and wanted. We enlisted the expert services of classic bike restoration specialist JAL Restorations to produce a museum quality rebuild. Norwich, England, Mon Nov 19 2007 Taking First Place at the Westminster Maryland Antique Motor Cycle Show. Cornwall. parts 1947 francis barnett Powerbike 98cc richard 152x38mm Flat Tank . It was fully restored by the last owner in 1984 (have bills) and was last on the road in 1988. 1929 Francis Barnett 147cc I have a 1936 Francis Barnett, Restoring her for the Sec. They moved into the former Excelsior works in Coventry when that company moved to Birmingham. 1950- engine number was:- model-number. Tue Oct 25 2005 The frame was guaranteed against breakage forever. All numbers match. If you have any other ideas how I could go about this, I definitely would really appreciate your advice. to be advised Frame no. 1963/1965 Falcon Trials model 92T, Villiers 246cc 32A engine. [5] Both Francis and Barnett both related by marriage started in the same company's workshop as that of Bayliss Thomas and Company Limited in Lower Ford Street, Coventry, established in 1874, who produced the Excelsior model. Hello I received an old Francis Barnett From my farther and I am trying to restore it.He dosn't know much about it so i am having trouble finding Info on it all he knows is it the year is in between the late 50's - 60's and it has a 125cc parts i need bearing nut .clutch operating body . Delivery Info Help Contact Us UK () Choose A Francis Frith Shop UK () For UK & International delivery US ($) For US/Canada delivery. message: hello, I'm from Australia, and I'm looking for some info on the 1928 Francis Barnett m/bike (as I'm looking at purchasing one). .. Cruiser frame 2t Ridden by Arther Shutt to victory in the annual Scott Trial, Yorkshire 1953 and by George Fisher in 1955 finishing second. A private entry at the 2005 Bristol Classic Bike Show. mohlerrobyahoo dot com Sun May 29 2005 Both Francis Barnett and James ceased to exist from October of that year.[22][5]. in the big museums. Money Back Guarantee ensures YOU receive the item you ordered or get your money back. 1952 merlin 57 Thanks. 196cc. 1953/1955 Falcon model 62T, 64T, 197cc 7E/8E Villiers engine, colour black: A quite rare machine. Colour black enamel or optional azure blue. All models. Francis Barnett Falcon 1954 1954/1957 Cruiser models 68, 71, 75, 80, Villiers 224cc MK1H engine and 4-speed gearbox with indicator and 12ch battery: came in Arden green and chrome finish or Azure blue with Arden green saddle. carb The Lower Ford Rd, Coventry Factory was closed down and some staff moved to James. Clear editor. However, during air raids in . Most models of the Francis-Barnett ("Fanny B") built in the Coventry factory had JAP and Villiers engines, the exceptions being the Stag which had a 250cc Blackburne, and a postwar sortie into the production of Vicenzo Piatti designed Peter. [13] On 12 July 1928 a trio of riders started at the foot of Snowdon at Llanberis Station. Sorry, don't understand your question. You could contact the VMCC and they have specialists on most makes, ok thanks for the response will take a look at owners club. It had a new frame design and an enclosed engine, gearbox and rear chain, using panels that left just the cylinder in view. I am struggling to find information for a newly purchased Falcon 81. [18] AMC reverted Francis Barnett bikes back to a Villiers engine again. Front Fork Francis Barnett was amalgamated with Associated Motor Cycles in 1947. where to find any please let me know. Registration number BGS 727A. The largest had chain drive. 1952 Pivoted-fork rear suspension first appeared, as did the firm's first competition models. 1959 A second Cruiser appeared that had the entire rear-end fully enclosed, even the pillion rests folding flush, and leg-shields as standard. Please contact the Motorcycle Department for detailed information in advance of bidding. farkwa at ezysurf.co.nz 1964 The same AMC engine went into a single-tube spine frame to produce a restyled Plover. You cannot paste images directly. Francis Barnett motorcycle. Models 3 4 5 & 9. 1939/1949 Powerbike J50G pre-war, K50H post-war, Auto-cycle 98cc Junior Villiers engine, early models were unsprung, Junior Villiers Deluxe engine introduced in 1940 with sprung forks, ( a letter H after the frame number means that Harwii hubs instead of British are fitted). They reverted to black in 1931 and to Arden Green around 1947.[16]. allenastell at hsgn.fsnet.co.uk 2 images attached. Edmonton Canada. I'm currently restoring two Francis Barnetts, one 200cc, and the other a 250cc, from the basket. Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, The British Motorcycle Directory - Over 1,100 Marques from 1888 - by Roy Bacon and Ken Hallworth. Francis-Barnett Sports FulmarI am in du I have updated info on my FB. These lots will be clearly marked with a dagger () printed beside the lot number in the catalog. Could you help in identifying what model he may Hi, Could you tell me where to find the frame number on this motorcycle? I have started restoring the bike and would like its original markings , i am in need of some parts . Frame number BF 89027. area ,who died some months ago. trying to find specific bike Colour black with chrome and gold lined petrol tank finish and available in azure blue as an optional extra. In 1947 Francis Barnett took over Clarendon Pressings and Welding Company Limited. have and where he could get manual from? Any help would be greatly appreciated. It was last registered as a Francis Barnett in South Africa in 1955 the engine has the number 958A and 8377 on it . This machine has been restored from a barn find around 10 years ago. 23, 147cc villiers engine,albion 2 speed gearbox. Engine number: 387A3187E (Villiers brand engine). Grace's Guide is the leading source of historical information on industry and Buyer's Premium for Memorabilia and Spares (Lots 1-198) will adhere to Bonhams group policy, the Buyer's Premium is 27.5% on the first 2,500 of the hammer price; 25% of the hammer price of amounts in excess of 2,500 up to and including 300,000; 20% of the hammer price of amounts in excess of 300,000 up to and including 3,000,000 and 13.9% of the hammer price of any amounts in excess of 3,000,000. 50cc. 3T Francis Barnett gordon.m5acd at ntlworld dot com Generally in black with a black and silver tank. The Spring Stafford Sale / 1956 Francis-Barnett 197cc Falcon 74 Frame no. We aim to bring back the Francis-Barnett name into the biking world with our new bikes. It has 200cc villiers which may need the crankcase. 1935/1940 Stag and Red Stag models F44, F46, G46, Blackburne 248cc 4 stroke OHV engine. During the 1930s the 250cc Cruiser model 250cc (15cuin) was developed with a faired engine that protected those riding from any oil or dirt one of the first of its kind to do so. 1960 Francis Barnett Falcon 87, 199cc. is the correct one for this frame. 1957. pennsylvania,u.s.a. The frame could be bolted together with basic tools. The numbers represent the area to look - number 24 for instance is where the frame meets the top tube. & Frame A50 Royal Star A50RA-101 A50 Wasp A50WA-101 A65 Thunderbolt A65TA-101 A65 Lightning A65LA-101 A65 Hornet A65HA-101 A65 Spitfire A65SA-101 1968 Eng. Francis Barnett motorcycle. Sun Jul 10 2005 Frame No is V4810 & engine No. parts for the bike. wales, Sun May 29 2011 745 plg (age-related number) engine amc type 20t two stroke, designed by vincent piatti arden green. 1930/1935 Lapwing models 25, 27, 28, 32, 33, 34, 35, 148cc and 196cc Villiers engine: A model 32T 148cc engine racer was made in small quantities one was ridden by Tommy Meeton in the Six-Day-Trial in 1933 and won a silver medal it was fully in black enamel. Thu Dec 15 2005 Thu May 05 2005 Finally, the ignition coil was very sensitive to heat, meaning regular replacement after a few long distance fast transits. I have received parts lists and wiring diagrams, and more info on the Villiers engines. [6][7] The first English motorcycle produced which continued until 1965. London, UK. Thanks for getting back to me the bike I have is a Francis Barnet when I received the Francis Barnet it was in bits over the last 3 years I have put the bike back together now, but I have no V5 or number plate for the bike only frame numbers and engine numbers is there a way of finding out reg for this bike, Possibly a marque specialist may have a solution. Francis-Barnett-1951-Powerbike-Magneto-RTh.jpg posted to comments, above. 1938/1940 Snipe model K40, K41, K48, J49, Villiers 98cc and model K49, Villiers J48 122cc engine with 3-speed gearbox and colour in black enamel The Snipe was adapted for war use and some were produced in wartime drab olive. Mon Jul 25 2011 150cc image supplied by www.andybuysbikes.com. 1961 Lightweight motor cycle manufacturers, makers of "Francis-Barnett" and "Fanbar" motor cycles. Please note Bonhams do not provide shipping neither do Bonhams pack lots. Classic_Motorcycles/Dealers/UK/, Sun Mar 25 2007 The first Cruiser was made in 1932 and is a quiet machine made for riders where special wet proof clothing was not required. mebaker21 at hotmail dot com Finished in black enamel. francis barnet 1962/1966 Fulmar Sports 88, 88T, 90, 90T, 149cc 15T AMC engine and 4-speed gearbox: Noted for low centre of gravity due to engine mounted position and reserve tank. For Motorcycles (Lots 201-662) the Buyer's Premium will be 15% on the first 500,000 of the Hammer Price of each Lot, and 12% on the balance thereafter, VAT at the standard rate is payable on the Premium by all Buyers, unless otherwise stated. Gumtree. I have a 1929 Francis Barnett 147cc that somwhow lost it's petrol pipe assembly that goes from the Villiers carb to the tank..can anyone assist to locate me this part? for sale This continued until Arthur Barnett adopted the bolted-tube frame design. The Supersport 172cc 2.75HP was awarded Gold and silver medals at the Scottish six day Trials in 1924. All numbers match. Are you able to help please? A letter H after the frame number on the post-war Model 50 indicates that is has Harwil hubs; otherwise British Hub hubs are fitted. Fulmar 88T Trials bike comes with a red frame, silver mudguards, tank and supports. Shipping Enquiries: For all motorcycle spares & memorabilia shipping enquiries please contact Alban Shipping quoting your client, sale & lot number to discuss your shipping requirements Tel: +44 (0) 1582 493099 email: [emailprotected]. 1930s The new decade brought new models and, in particular, the Cruiser. KUL 21D The design of this engine was not as reliable as the Villiers and its troubled performance affected its success. In the early 1950s the Falcon used the Villiers 8E 197cc engine and by 1956 was being built with a swinging-arm frame, partially enclosed centre section and 18" wheels, the latter being introduced on the Model 74. hg61rose at yahoo.co.uk 1956 Francis-Barnett 197cc Falcon 74 Registration no. Francis & Barnett Limited was an English motorcycle manufacturer founded in 1919 by Gordon Inglesby Francis and Arthur Barnett and based in . [1][2], The Lea Francis cycle and motorcycle business had been formed by Graham Francis and R.H. Lea in 1895,[3][4] who was the son of Graham Francis who manufactured motorcycles under the name 'Lea Francis', went into partnership with Arthur Barnett to create Francis & Barnett Limited. Any help would be appreciated. Francis Barnett Plover 73 I have lined up the marks on the gear indicator pinion, but despite several tries, I don't have all four speeds. Your previous content has been restored. The . . It was not until 1945 that production resumed back at Lower Ford Street with the 98cc Powerbike and then the 125cc Merlin. 1952 Springer Model 58. 3.89 Add to cart Francis Barnett 1923 to 1929 Instruction Manual. Gothenburg, Sweden, Thu Aug 14 2008 All lots marked with a will be charged 30+VAT uplift and storage at 6+VAT per day per lot. Barnsley South Yorshire. 1949/1952 Powerbike 56N, Auto-cycle 98cc MK 2F Villiers engine: Introduced in June 1949. Argentina, Sun Feb 20 2011 1954/1957 Falcon models 70, 70C, 72, 74, 76, 77, 197cc 7E/8E Villiers engines, colour black or later in arden green. trudeauj1 at yahoo.com SOLD I know there are the engine, gear box?, wheels etc. Falcon models 70, 74, 76, 81, can be found with re-working of the lower frame for Trials. very single part is either new or properly reconditioned. I've been told it could be a 175cc and between 1950-55? Search Post ad. 1948 Francis-Barnett 122cc MerlinRegistration no. Basic \H\ frame or complete assemblyo: Contact at 07 831 554 604: 150 - Parts For Sale Ad. I have bought a frame and engine bits the frame number is given B-10351 and the engine is asingle cylinder but the number given is 15T 3900 can you throw any light please They were discontinued due to cooling problems. villiers The These machines were coloured cream from 1928 to 1930 to follow fashion at the time. Very few of this model about now. robin.marie at xtra.co.nz If you are interested in consigning in future auctions, please contact the specialist department. this was my first m/cycle, 45 years later i am restoring it as a thanks does anyone know of suitable fork gaiters for it? alan.williams at yahoo.co.uk [bounced] can anybody help us, we will take a photo and insert it ass well. Surrey, Wed Feb 01 2012 1954/1956 Manufacturers Award Team Bikes ISDT 175cc and 197cc Ridden by Ernie Smith, George Fisher and Dick Kemp. 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